Comments on: The Coming Educational Landscape Pt. 1 http://maxmarmer.com/2009/06/264/ Student Of Life, Twenty One Years In The Making Thu, 12 Jan 2012 15:46:00 +0000 hourly 1 By: jhorwitz http://maxmarmer.com/2009/06/264/comment-page-1/#comment-1230 jhorwitz Sun, 14 Jun 2009 10:39:39 +0000 http://maxmarmer.com/?p=264#comment-1230 I'm wary of credentialing being completely defined in a personal, facebook-style sort of way. I think there is certainly room for improvement there, but I think its the difference between looking at someone's resume and looking at someone's degree: how someone presents themself is important, but getting recognition from a respected third party is an essential way for one to gain legitimacy. <br><br>Just because there is room for improvement in how exactly those organizations will be set up, and the usefulness of their degree, I think there will always be a place for recognized organizations to give legitimacy to large numbers of people. Especially as populations grow I dont think its practical to have large numbers of individuals and individual projects attempting to give credentials to even larger numbers of individuals. I do think the personal eduction system is going to improve a lot over the years, I agree with most of your viewpoint, but I think the organizations will still have to exist, in some respect.<br><br>The best article I've seen on the issue was one you sent me, I think from the NY times, talking about how a much more useful method of education would be to divide between "problems" such as human population, water, energy, etc that combine multiple disciplines, and re-evaluate relevant topics every 7-ish years. It was really good at debunking the current trend of super-specialized study that really isnt useful to anyone. I cant find the article though, unfortunately I'm wary of credentialing being completely defined in a personal, facebook-style sort of way. I think there is certainly room for improvement there, but I think its the difference between looking at someone's resume and looking at someone's degree: how someone presents themself is important, but getting recognition from a respected third party is an essential way for one to gain legitimacy.

Just because there is room for improvement in how exactly those organizations will be set up, and the usefulness of their degree, I think there will always be a place for recognized organizations to give legitimacy to large numbers of people. Especially as populations grow I dont think its practical to have large numbers of individuals and individual projects attempting to give credentials to even larger numbers of individuals. I do think the personal eduction system is going to improve a lot over the years, I agree with most of your viewpoint, but I think the organizations will still have to exist, in some respect.

The best article I've seen on the issue was one you sent me, I think from the NY times, talking about how a much more useful method of education would be to divide between “problems” such as human population, water, energy, etc that combine multiple disciplines, and re-evaluate relevant topics every 7-ish years. It was really good at debunking the current trend of super-specialized study that really isnt useful to anyone. I cant find the article though, unfortunately

]]> By: jhorwitz http://maxmarmer.com/2009/06/264/comment-page-1/#comment-997 jhorwitz Sun, 14 Jun 2009 05:39:39 +0000 http://maxmarmer.com/?p=264#comment-997 I'm wary of credentialing being completely defined in a personal, facebook-style sort of way. I think there is certainly room for improvement there, but I think its the difference between looking at someone's resume and looking at someone's degree: how someone presents themself is important, but getting recognition from a respected third party is an essential way for one to gain legitimacy. <br><br>Just because there is room for improvement in how exactly those organizations will be set up, and the usefulness of their degree, I think there will always be a place for recognized organizations to give legitimacy to large numbers of people. Especially as populations grow I dont think its practical to have large numbers of individuals and individual projects attempting to give credentials to even larger numbers of individuals. I do think the personal eduction system is going to improve a lot over the years, I agree with most of your viewpoint, but I think the organizations will still have to exist, in some respect.<br><br>The best article I've seen on the issue was one you sent me, I think from the NY times, talking about how a much more useful method of education would be to divide between "problems" such as human population, water, energy, etc that combine multiple disciplines, and re-evaluate relevant topics every 7-ish years. It was really good at debunking the current trend of super-specialized study that really isnt useful to anyone. I cant find the article though, unfortunately I'm wary of credentialing being completely defined in a personal, facebook-style sort of way. I think there is certainly room for improvement there, but I think its the difference between looking at someone's resume and looking at someone's degree: how someone presents themself is important, but getting recognition from a respected third party is an essential way for one to gain legitimacy.

Just because there is room for improvement in how exactly those organizations will be set up, and the usefulness of their degree, I think there will always be a place for recognized organizations to give legitimacy to large numbers of people. Especially as populations grow I dont think its practical to have large numbers of individuals and individual projects attempting to give credentials to even larger numbers of individuals. I do think the personal eduction system is going to improve a lot over the years, I agree with most of your viewpoint, but I think the organizations will still have to exist, in some respect.

The best article I've seen on the issue was one you sent me, I think from the NY times, talking about how a much more useful method of education would be to divide between “problems” such as human population, water, energy, etc that combine multiple disciplines, and re-evaluate relevant topics every 7-ish years. It was really good at debunking the current trend of super-specialized study that really isnt useful to anyone. I cant find the article though, unfortunately

]]> By: reader http://maxmarmer.com/2009/06/264/comment-page-1/#comment-996 reader Sat, 13 Jun 2009 20:34:35 +0000 http://maxmarmer.com/?p=264#comment-996 you have a huge boner for elitism. please stop you have a huge boner for elitism. please stop

]]> By: rahmin http://maxmarmer.com/2009/06/264/comment-page-1/#comment-991 rahmin Thu, 11 Jun 2009 01:03:08 +0000 http://maxmarmer.com/?p=264#comment-991 To the larger question of how to provide resources for unclasses / unschooling, sponsorships seem plausible via a combination of micro and macro commitments (individuals, corporations, etc). For example, a local photography shop would have reinforcing incentives to sponsor darkroom classes as Intel would sponsoring distributed EE labs. As an individual, I would personally be willing to contribute towards classes that I thought lead to a healthier community (anything that breeds awareness in others) and better the lives of others. Ethics and Philosophy come to mind immediately towards this end! This, of course, assumes that the unschooling / unclasses system is solid enough that it creates consistent, recognizable value. I wonder what learning/courses have imapcted the readers of this thread and what areas of knowledge you would sponsor or support? To the larger question of how to provide resources for unclasses / unschooling, sponsorships seem plausible via a combination of micro and macro commitments (individuals, corporations, etc). For example, a local photography shop would have reinforcing incentives to sponsor darkroom classes as Intel would sponsoring distributed EE labs. As an individual, I would personally be willing to contribute towards classes that I thought lead to a healthier community (anything that breeds awareness in others) and better the lives of others. Ethics and Philosophy come to mind immediately towards this end!

This, of course, assumes that the unschooling / unclasses system is solid enough that it creates consistent, recognizable value.

I wonder what learning/courses have imapcted the readers of this thread and what areas of knowledge you would sponsor or support?

]]> By: rahmin http://maxmarmer.com/2009/06/264/comment-page-1/#comment-1879 rahmin Thu, 11 Jun 2009 01:03:00 +0000 http://maxmarmer.com/?p=264#comment-1879 To the larger question of how to provide resources for unclasses / unschooling, sponsorships seem plausible via a combination of micro and macro commitments (individuals, corporations, etc). For example, a local photography shop would have reinforcing incentives to sponsor darkroom classes as Intel would sponsoring distributed EE labs. As an individual, I would personally be willing to contribute towards classes that I thought lead to a healthier community (anything that breeds awareness in others) and better the lives of others. Ethics and Philosophy come to mind immediately towards this end! This, of course, assumes that the unschooling / unclasses system is solid enough that it creates consistent, recognizable value. I wonder what learning/courses have imapcted the readers of this thread and what areas of knowledge you would sponsor or support? To the larger question of how to provide resources for unclasses / unschooling, sponsorships seem plausible via a combination of micro and macro commitments (individuals, corporations, etc). For example, a local photography shop would have reinforcing incentives to sponsor darkroom classes as Intel would sponsoring distributed EE labs. As an individual, I would personally be willing to contribute towards classes that I thought lead to a healthier community (anything that breeds awareness in others) and better the lives of others. Ethics and Philosophy come to mind immediately towards this end!

This, of course, assumes that the unschooling / unclasses system is solid enough that it creates consistent, recognizable value.

I wonder what learning/courses have imapcted the readers of this thread and what areas of knowledge you would sponsor or support?

]]> By: Max Marmer » Blog Archive » The Coming Educational Landscape Pt. 2 http://maxmarmer.com/2009/06/264/comment-page-1/#comment-989 Max Marmer » Blog Archive » The Coming Educational Landscape Pt. 2 Thu, 11 Jun 2009 00:34:21 +0000 http://maxmarmer.com/?p=264#comment-989 [...] First I recommend you read the previous post on this subject. [...] [...] First I recommend you read the previous post on this subject. [...]

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